A quick tutorial on how to correctly train fluid, healthy, and combat effective back rolls. … Kevin Secours Montreal Martial Arts Russian Systema Wrestling Ground Fighting ukemi rolling break falling jujitsu shoot grapple mma judo aikido taekwondo karate capoeira krav maga
true, i started training in krav in my hometown here now aswell, not because i don’t like systema but because the people practicing it here don’t really make the training as tough as it should be nor are they as good as the instructors i’ve worked with in the past; however krav is still lacking in the ”taking strikes” department…
Exactly. I’ve learned some ground work in Krav but very little. And yes, I’ve noticed that most rolls I saw in Systema had to do with guns. Who do/did you train with in canada?
Ultimately it boils down to instructors and not styles. Many Krav guys do practice ground, rolling–Moni Asek for example even teaches drop kicks and ground sweeps. What matters is the instructor fits for you. Krav definitely does have a simpler curriculum however. Most of the ground work from Systema stems from offensive gun movement and from what I’ve seen, Krav does not teach this at all.
Well since I’ve stopped practicing Systema I switched to Krav Maga. No rolling makes life a lot simpler and personally I find it more straight forward than Systema. But again, that’s just my opinion.
The idea is to improve body control. I wouldn’t back roll in a dark alley any more than I would perform a push up in one, but if I can’t do either and I wind up on my back, chances are my options will be limited by my own incapacities. That being said, we can’t be good at or even like every aspect of training so I think you can safely live a fruitful life without perfecting ground flow
These are the things in Systema that I always hated. Rolling… Maybe it’s me but I honestly don’t quite see how I”ll be rolling around while getting attacked in a dark alley. Sorry but it’s just my opinion. I’ve trained under Kevin, great guy VERY knowledgeable but I still hate rolling lol.
Weaponizing the roll includes rolling into the attacker, snaring him, kicking or striking from the roll, pulling him to the ground, etc. The goal is to stay fluid rather than to get locked up in a struggle.
Generally, you would not be back rolling blindly towards another person intentional. Even in the case of the instep roll, Systema always advocates continuous movment. A number of drills, including having people stomp on you as you roll are used to train this reflex.
Each method is favorable for a specific condition. Generally it is best to stand back up, unless perhaps you are under fire. The instep is safer on the ground and smoother but the ball of the foot is necessary as stated to protect weapons. If you have a firearm on your belt and have to stay down, the instep method is not viable. You are always open to stomps, on all areas of the body, when you are on the ground. If you are ever rolling that close to another human the roll should be weaponized.
I had the problem where I would make contact with my knee i’m now working to fix this. I have a question about the second method of rolling landing on the ball of the foot. Is this not presenting your achilees tendon for snapping by stomping or somebody falling on it? I was told to always land on the instep to protect it.
Yes, very informative. When I roll back, I noticed that my knee and my foot touch the mat. I need to stretch more so that I can lanc on the ball of my foot.
This guys stuff is amazing. He makes it seem so simple but this is really subtle work. Thank you so much for sharing this material. This has really given me a lot to work on.
true, i started training in krav in my hometown here now aswell, not because i don’t like systema but because the people practicing it here don’t really make the training as tough as it should be nor are they as good as the instructors i’ve worked with in the past; however krav is still lacking in the ”taking strikes” department…
Yep. We’re still there.
Corner de maisonneuve, near metro Peel?
I train under Vlad and teach in Montreal.
Exactly. I’ve learned some ground work in Krav but very little. And yes, I’ve noticed that most rolls I saw in Systema had to do with guns. Who do/did you train with in canada?
Ultimately it boils down to instructors and not styles. Many Krav guys do practice ground, rolling–Moni Asek for example even teaches drop kicks and ground sweeps. What matters is the instructor fits for you. Krav definitely does have a simpler curriculum however. Most of the ground work from Systema stems from offensive gun movement and from what I’ve seen, Krav does not teach this at all.
Well since I’ve stopped practicing Systema I switched to Krav Maga. No rolling
makes life a lot simpler and personally I find it more straight forward than Systema. But again, that’s just my opinion.
The idea is to improve body control. I wouldn’t back roll in a dark alley any more than I would perform a push up in one, but if I can’t do either and I wind up on my back, chances are my options will be limited by my own incapacities. That being said, we can’t be good at or even like every aspect of training so I think you can safely live a fruitful life without perfecting ground flow
These are the things in Systema that I always hated. Rolling… Maybe it’s me but I honestly don’t quite see how I”ll be rolling around while getting attacked in a dark alley. Sorry but it’s just my opinion. I’ve trained under Kevin, great guy VERY knowledgeable but I still hate rolling lol.
Weaponizing the roll includes rolling into the attacker, snaring him, kicking or striking from the roll, pulling him to the ground, etc. The goal is to stay fluid rather than to get locked up in a struggle.
Generally, you would not be back rolling blindly towards another person intentional. Even in the case of the instep roll, Systema always advocates continuous movment. A number of drills, including having people stomp on you as you roll are used to train this reflex.
Each method is favorable for a specific condition. Generally it is best to stand back up, unless perhaps you are under fire. The instep is safer on the ground and smoother but the ball of the foot is necessary as stated to protect weapons. If you have a firearm on your belt and have to stay down, the instep method is not viable. You are always open to stomps, on all areas of the body, when you are on the ground. If you are ever rolling that close to another human the roll should be weaponized.
I had the problem where I would make contact with my knee i’m now working to fix this. I have a question about the second method of rolling landing on the ball of the foot. Is this not presenting your achilees tendon for snapping by stomping or somebody falling on it? I was told to always land on the instep to protect it.
Elegant, thanks
excellent!
Yes, very informative. When I roll back, I noticed that my knee and my foot touch the mat. I need to stretch more so that I can lanc on the ball of my foot.
I,ve been rolling for years but there is always room to grow, thanks Kevin, 5/5
Quality!
This guys stuff is amazing. He makes it seem so simple but this is really subtle work. Thank you so much for sharing this material. This has really given me a lot to work on.
That was a huge help. Thx.
Thanx for sharing this excellent tutorial! Very well explained. This will def. help me improve my own skill in rolling.
5 *
Great instruction, great video.
You’re brilliant as always Kevin.
wow, so many details to a seemingly simple task… exellent.